Apr 29, 2020
In this episode, I have Mark
Fisher as a guest. Contrary to what we normally do in discussing
the future of fitness, this episode will discuss the importance of
routines and structures that allow you to get the most out of your
day and life.
Mark is the “Ninja master” and
co-CEO of Mark Fisher Fitness, a gym he describes as offering
serious fitness for ridiculous humans! They help people who
normally hate the gym, find a fitness place they actually
How are you personally dealing with the lockdown?
says he is actually doing pretty good, and the lockdown has made
him realize how easy it is for him to do his own thing. He loves
people, but he’s quite self-directed and can thrive on his own all
opportunity to work on products alone, with the occasional meeting,
is something that appeals to him.
- However, he is also worried about what the next
12 months will hold, in terms of social restrictions set by the
government, or even by social culture.
won’t be like flipping a switch and going back to normal. New York
is a real estate game, and the main consideration is can you make
enough money in that real estate market to cover fixed costs and
make a meaningful profit.
attention to events in the macroeconomic environment, because the
downwind thereof will hit everyone. He thinks NY will deal with
more psychological and emotional obstacles than a lot of other
places but stresses the fact that in the long run, we will all be
What are you doing during this time, perhaps reading
says he likes working on products. One of the things he teaches is
time management, so he likes creating a structure; being diligent
and conscientious and just getting things done.
of his days are spent around a routine; getting up around 06:30,
spending 20 minutes meditating, and 30 to 45 minutes reading while
drinking his green formula and his morning
completes his more intense tasks like writing an email, landing
pages, marketing content, or working on presentations early in the
morning. He does these in 30-minute blocks, and on a good day, he
completes up to 5 30 minute blocks.
checking emails and social media, he does a quick workout, followed
by a late lunch and another meditation session, and then starts the
second part of his day where he mostly does
final part of his day starts around 17:30 to 18:30, where he spends
60 to 90 minutes crossing off the easier tasks like paperwork and
clearing his inbox. Around 18:00 to 20:00 he has completed his
cycle and spends the evening with his wife and their
Explain your statement that you have to create a
challenging game that will allow you to move forward with momentum?
says this is broadly about how the day gets scheduled. He likes to
say that to-do lists that don’t exist in time are a recipe for
being miserable, sad, and crazy.
have to capture the inputs, either using a notebook, Google docs,
or any resource that will allow you to capture all the things that
need to be done.
have responsibilities towards your personal life, work assignments,
client-related tasks, and just an abundance of things to remember.
Not writing these things down will make your life very, very
then, you also have to analyze and organize these lists; if you
have a bunch of never-ending to-do lists, you will never have the
satisfaction of a game you can win, and there will never be a sense
What is your unique ability, that fires you up and makes
you feel like you do better than most people? (23:21)
says the ability to be meticulous with his time is a great asset.
Discipline is something a lot of people struggle with, and he feels
it’s a blessing to be disciplined.
- Another factor for him is that he loves
learning, and believes he is a quick study; he is able to find the
frameworks and put them into action in a short
third “superpower” is that he loves teaching; anything that has to
do with mentoring and developing skills.
- Something he’s really been digging into is
adult learning, or training the trainer as it’s called in corporate
circles. This boils down to training a team to do things very
consistently and using the best learning practices for their
Given the uniqueness of our current situation, what
books are you revisiting right now? (27:12)
says he has mainly been revisiting books lately because he is just
not enthused by new books at the moment.
says its probably a phase, but he has no interest in business
books. Among the topics, he’s interested in are psychology, hard
science, and philosophy.
recently revisited Man’s
Search For Meaning, Sapiens, and Antifragile.
these books, he is also reading How Not To Be Wrong, which is known as Bill Gates’ top 10
the time being, he is enjoying books that are denser of
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